Jerbear, please post a link to a well-written and/or plausible porn script with good acting. I'd love to be proved wrong, but I think none exists.

kuando, I don't know why this is a big deal. Penises are natural and, well, everywhere. Would you be offended by a bellybutton or an ear? I think there is such a negative stigma associated with genitals that we can look at any without feeling ashamed. It shouldn't be this way.

It's different for a little kid. Edit to add: Not the was this one was presented.

I have my reasons for not liking the porn industry. I'm just not going to talk about it in public.

Conan the Barbarian.

You're probably right about that - I was more referring to how porn and its distribution have changed in the age of the internet. Amateur content (or professional, for that matter) featuring people with real bodies in real scenarios getting naked and getting down to business does not require some ridiculous conjured up premise to flesh out* a VHS tape.

Also, I don't know wherein lies the victimization when people post pictures or videos of themselves. Not all porn is produced for profit and nakedness is not inherently negative nor shameful.







*Pun absolutely intended.

Caligula (the director's cut) was hard to watch (seriously, there are things that I saw in that movie that I really wish I could un-see and it has been a long time since I saw it) and some of the porn aspects seemed gratuitous, but I've certainly seen worse non-porn and it had Malcom McDowel (Clockwork Orange, a whole bunch of TV), and Peter O'Toole (Lawrence of Arabia, The Last Emporer, The Lion in Winter) who are both pretty respected actors. Its pretty dated as the film definitely has that 70's feel. I never saw the non-director's cut, so maybe that one's different.

Hm. I never realized that Peter O'Toole sounds like he's got a really cheezy porn name. Poor guy.

9 1/2 weeks (Mickey Rourke, Kim Basinger) is generally considered to be a pretty good porn movie. I saw it many years ago and can't vouch for it one way or the other as my housemate had made some really good brownies that day...

I didn't really like Eyes Wide Shut as it had all the drawn out pomposity of many Kubrick film without that special bit of whatever that makes other Kubrick films bend the mind, but I think it probably qualifies as porn.

I only saw a bit of 9 Songs, so I don't really know if it ended up being a good movie, but it had a live Black Rebel Motorcycle Club performance, so there's that...

It definitely had that euro art movie feel which is a win for some and a major detraction for others.

I'm sure I've seen others which might be considered to be real movies that happen to be pornographic, but those were the first to come to mind.

There's an entry on the site tvtropes (it's about devices used in fiction) that talks about what is good watchable sexual activity, versus what is good sexual activity.

Sex tends not to be very realistic in movies, because good sex isn't often that watchable. Sex is obviously more than the visual and auditory aspect. But movies require sex to be restricted to visual and auditory aspects. Which makes movie sex tend to be ... well, unrealistic, or boring.

Its scary that a thread started to discuss ism and objectification of women within the cycling community demotes to a male discussion on how quality of .

Its really scary that I am agreeing with alwaysflat, but whatever.
As far as comfort goes, Emma, you know I love ya. And, I might do almost anything for ya too.
Now, for the juice:
I have a shop. I am a small business, in an even smaller more incesttuous scene.
This is a scene that fif one person can have a bad experience, it can travel far. I know a couple of times I have had a late or poor communication experience , and thanks to the internet it is all over.
Forget about the 50 people who got served awesomely.
Now, about my post: I have some stuff hanging up here that some people don't like. I did not hang it up for them. I hung it up for me. Its my shop, and I do not serve the general public. I serve a select few of the minority here in the Twin Cities.
If people come in here with kids, I usually tell them that there are some "pictures" they may not want their kid to see. Like I said, er typed, this is not a shop for everyone, but everyone is welcome. No one, no one ever said "nice poster" I have that has two guys on, with the words" HONOR YOUR SEXUALITY" on it. I am asked occasionally if I am gay. I tell them it's none of their business, and it wouldn't matter, I would still make the best bike you will ever have.
Now, while I agree that women are sexualised in the bike industry, but they are everywhere. I think nudity is and can be, time and context of course, pretty hot, male or female. We all have our own tastes.
What disturbs me, is that not many people are upset with magazines like YM, MARIE CLAIRE, 17, COSMO, TEEN BOP, TIGER BEAT, MADEMOISELLE, mags like this( well not teen bop and tiger beat) all tell women that they can be:" five pounds lighter! give you boyfriend the best head ever!, make up tips! how to fit in that two piece by spring!, make the best meal for your bf!, how to be better in bed!, and so on and on....that, to me is the REAL objectification of women.It does not treat them like a person, more of a thing. It starts so early and so innocently it is sickening. I know, I grew up with three older sisters .
I like to think that as a business I try to treat everyone the same ,and they go away all happy and full of daises and happy thoughts, but that is just an impossible standard to have with human beings.
Emma, I love ya and everything you have done for this cycling community. Next beer is on me.

This post is full of awesome.

This is a scene that fif one person can have a bad experience, it can travel far.

Well what can I say, except "tough shit". That one bad experience emma stated affects 1/2 of the human population.

Therefore its not "one bad experience" its a bad experience over and over again for 1/2 of the population. Essentially one poster turned off a number of women towards cycling.

As for the women's rag mags, fuck 'em. I don't read that shit. Hell I don't even F'ing watch TV/Cable to avoid the media driven crap about physical perfection expected of women.

Yet I must occasionally go into a bike shop to get the ugly piece I ride fixed so I can get around.

I chose to cycle, but part of that choice is wearing down a rather decently designed bike that subsequently looks like hell. Rather than going in occasionally (which is more often than now) to get that crappy ride fixed.

Why?

Because of the misogyny thats accepted by bike culture and enforced by bike shops.

Its even driven me to reading other bike forums in regards to bike repair/mechanics, downloading youtube vids on bike repair, reading books on bike repair.

I just thank my lucky stars I am not a petro addict, therefore I would not have to endure learning the basics of auto maintenance (which subsequently I know more about than bike repair) or be exposed to actually being at the mercy of auto mechanics.

Its just completely ascine that folks (men and women) refuse to reform a "subculture" scene that attempts to be counter-culture but manages to give into the main vein of mainstream culture with is misgony.

STOP using women's rag mags as a excuse, its pretty lame, its very pro-mainstream and its weak.

Hell I even watch more amatuer porn because the women and men, or men and men or women and women or more often for me woman, men, men, men, men, men adult entertainment participants are well more average looking and far more creative, sober and original than the crap west hollywood cranks out. (he he he he I can be a little OT shithead too )

And this particular piece of advertisement we all had scene is a very very copied "veronica" type character with a very average looking dude. So yeah I was turned off. I even ignored a groupon appointment to get the "deluxe tuneup" done on my crappy ugly ride because I didn't want to deal with the characters who approved the graphic contained in the advertisement.

So I am riding a crappy ride that has about 4 different odd sounds emitting every time I get momentum. Its still better than having to deal with another major headache from a bunch of young dudes who will delight in driving me up the wall.


At least when I wake up in the morning and go to the bathroom mirror to check out how I look, admire my breasts, feast my eyes on my hindquarters view via the door length mirror. I can do so in peace, every single morning; because I avoided the bike shop that approved this advertisement. Certainly makes up for all the noise my ride emits.

QFP

sorry for the profanity folks. but this is really a very basic premise of gender relations that a number of folks just don't get. And will never really rise to modernity.

Its irritating, and this metro area is really getting less progressive and modern in this aspect!

I heard Yonkers, NY is pretty cool.

I am itching to call that old flame back despite having changed my phone number, blocked his email; and ask for a great roll in the hay.

Imagine its possible to get laid with a man, not a Neanderthal. Golly gee whiz!

Why don't you just go to a shop with female mechanics? That way you don't have to have dudes harshing your buzz, and your bike might stop making noise. Support females that are making a living doing traditionally male jobs! Just a suggestion.

P to the G, I love visiting you. I don't like the girly pics. Doesn't mean I am going to stop coming over, or stop liking you, but it does make me uncomfortable when I'm in there. No idea where my eyes are supposed to go. Thankfully, there are bicycle distractions. ;]


"Women's" magazines are so disgusting. I get upset every time I go to the OBGYN and there are only Cosmo mags in there. Ew. But don't you think that the girly photos (feminine ideal) and the magazines (instruction manuals on how to be a female that men will desire) are related? Can't I dislike both, because both are unrealistic expectations, and those ideals are just as harmful to the females they objectify as to the men they supposedly cater to? I say that junk is harmful to guys as well because I think those ideals imply men are shallow and beauty-obsessed and all of those "what men want" articles set up a "normal" range of behaviors that women can expect from men. e.g. "Ladies, men HATE it when you do X, but LOVE it when you do Y!" can be a damaging statement if dude doesn't feel that way about X and Y.

I just want to say again that if emma55jean felt uncomfortable, that's valid, no matter how the image is justified.