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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:57 am
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I hate those comments:

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Gee. I wish I could ride my bike to work and save the earth. Come to think if it, itâ??s not a bad idea. I would get to ignore 100% of the traffic laws, cut people off, wear tight shorts, and then sneer at the â??badâ?? people in cars that dare pass me while Iâ??m going 17 mph in a 35 mph zone. There really should be laws against you bikers riding through places like downtown Wayzata, holding up traffic. Go for a ride in the country if it is indeed exercise that yourâ??re after. I donâ??t think interfering with everyone elseâ??s life is making you any friends. In fact, yourâ??re lucky if I give you 1″, much less 3′ when your sauntering down the road, HOLDING UP THE SHOW. Get a life.


Arggghh all over again...



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:21 pm
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Radlerin wrote:
If you look at the comments, there is a person
asking whether it's illegal to bike drunk in MN. :shock:
Anyone know?


A bicycle is not a motor vehicle.

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Prohibited Behaviors
Minnesotaâ??s DWI law stipulates that it is a crime:
1) to drive, operate, or be in control of any motor vehicle anywhere in the state while:
􀂃 under the influence of alcohol, a controlled substance, or (knowingly) a hazardous substance, or any combination of these;
􀂃 having an alcohol concentration (AC) of .08 (.08 means .08 percent alcohol concentration, which is 8/10,000ths by volume) or more at the time, or within two hours, of doing so;
􀂃 having any amount or the metabolites of a schedule I or II controlled substance, other than marijuana, in the body; or
􀂃 if the vehicle is a commercial motor vehicle, having an alcohol concentration of .04 or more at the time, or within two hours of the time, of doing so; or
2) to refuse to submit to a chemical test of the personâ??s blood, breath, or urine under Minnesota Statutes, section 169A.52 (implied consent law).


I'm of the belief that DWIs for bicyclists are an urban legend.

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There really should be laws against you bikers riding through places like downtown Wayzata, holding up traffic. Go for a ride in the country if it is indeed exercise that yourâ??re after.


Ooops, I always thought Downtown Wayzata was "out in the country". :evil:



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:13 pm
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Apparently California does have a CUI law. :o

http://www.cuilaws.com/

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However, although bicycles arenâ??t considered vehicles in California, and therefore are not covered by the usual laws governing drunk driving, the California Vehicle Code has separate CUI laws covering bicycles that state that it is unlawful to ride a bicycle on a highway while intoxicated.




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Unlike drunk driving laws governing vehicles, which set a â??per seâ?? limit of .08 percent BAC, there is no magic number in a CUI case. Therefore, a bicyclist can be found guilty of CUI with a BAC of less than .08 percent, or can be found innocent with a BAC of greater than .08 percent. The key question under Californiaâ??s CUI laws is whether the cyclist was too impaired by alcohol or other drugs to ride safely.



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:02 pm
User avatarClincherJoined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:48 pmPosts: 133Location: SW Minneapolis
I knew all the correct answers on the quiz. :cool:

The dude from Wayzata, KG, is exactly the type of person who gets pissed if he is at a light in traffic and you come up along the side of the road and pass him legally.

All in all cyclist and people in cars are alike. Some are dorks other are not.



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:05 pm
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beakgeek wrote:
All in all cyclist and people in cars are alike.




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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:33 pm
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OMG?! Who posted this? Who is Rob? Too funny.

Dickface posted this first:

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My name is also Dan, and I am also sick of these bike people. I drive in Minneapolis, a fact that I am not ashamed of. I follow traffic laws. I stop at stop signs and red lights, even if there is nobody else there. Many bikers do not. They weave through traffic and break laws. And they justify it by saying some holier than thou crap about cars. Some people walk, some bike, some drive. We all need to obey the laws.


Then Rob posted this:

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My name is Rob, and I am also sick of these car people. I ride in Minneapolis, a fact that I am not ashamed of. I follow the traffic laws. I stop at stop signs and red lights, even if there is nobody else there. Many cars do not. They speed through traffic and break laws. And they justify it by saying some holier than thou crap about bikes.



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:37 pm
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Nice repsonse Pinkzilla. Very thought out.

This one is priceless too:

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But it is nice to hear others with the same frustrations over cyclists behavior. Running red lights, weaving in and out of lanes, getting my car door kicked by a cyclist on the parkway who felt threatened (it really did happen!) ...


A cyclist kicking a car? Holy crap! Anyone else end up doing this about once a month as they are about to get right turned to death?



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:46 pm
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ignore 100% of the traffic laws, cut people off, wear tight shorts, and then sneer at the â??badâ?? people in cars that dare pass me while Iâ??m going 17 mph in a 35 mph zone.

Don't mind if I do!

PS. DUII on a bicycle is indeed quite illegal, I've seen cyclists cited for riding over the limit TWICE.



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:24 pm
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sveden wrote:
Nice repsonse Pinkzilla. Very thought out.

This one is priceless too:

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But it is nice to hear others with the same frustrations over cyclists behavior. Running red lights, weaving in and out of lanes, getting my car door kicked by a cyclist on the parkway who felt threatened (it really did happen!) ...


A cyclist kicking a car? Holy crap! Anyone else end up doing this about once a month as they are about to get right turned to death?


Nope, not me. never. The last time it happened I was walking a dog and some girl blew off a stop sign and almost got us. I rapped on her SUV with the retractable leash thingy. It made a nice noise. :evil:

If you're close enough enough to be kicked by a cyclist, you're well within 3 feet.



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:27 pm
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majorgroove wrote:
PS. DUII on a bicycle is indeed quite illegal, I've seen cyclists cited for riding over the limit TWICE.


More information please. Such as:

1)What happened in court?

2)What was the fine/penalty.

3)What was the b.a.c.?



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:12 pm
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steef wrote:
More information please. Such as:
1)What happened in court?
2)What was the fine/penalty.
3)What was the b.a.c.?
OK, itâ??s story time!
You might want to pour yourself a drink before you delve into this treatise.

The first time I made direct observation of this phenomenon was in back in college. I had gotten busted for schmokin a J-bone in front of the student union. Now, in that particular jurisdiction (Oregon), cannabis laws are relatively lenient. Normally I would have just paid the ticket and been on my merry way. But because this â??crimeâ?? took place on campus, the university disciplinary board got involved and threatened to kick me out of school if I didnâ??t participate in the court-mediated drug and alcohol diversion program.

This program was actually geared toward first-time drunk-driver-losers whereby completion of the program allowed one to have the DUII absolved from their record earlier. It went like this: I had to go in once a week to watch old ONDCP propaganda videos, then they make you take a quiz to make sure you paid attention. Being a practicing biologist (I guess â??student biologistâ?? back then), you can imagine that I had much to say about ONDCPâ??s cartoon version of neurotransmission, and the disgraceful lack of objectivity demonstrated by ONDCP/NIDA funded â??scientistsâ?? (Read This).

Anyhoo, at this court-mediated program for drunk drivers and the occasional toker is where I met Potter (whom I subsequently began to run into around town on bike). He was there for: you guessed it, DUII by bicycle. Steef, in regard to your questions;
1) Potter was in the program, so he had to have pleaded guilty, or have been convicted sensu stricto by a court of law.
2) The stupid program was his punishment, along with DUII fines and court costs which I am sure totaled in the thousands of dollars.
3) I couldnâ??t tell you what his BAC was at time of arrest.

The other occasion where I have witnessed DUII by bicycle occurred a few years later in Portland (also Oregon). My buddy Nate, â??Crazy Nate,â?? got drunk as a skunk after his bartending shift and proceeded to ride home. Bombing downhill on Hawthorne Blvd, he crashed into a parked car and broke his clavicle. Some passersby called an ambulance and made him wait until it got there. At the hospital, law enforcement showed up to cite him for DUII.

For Steef:
1) Crazy Nate plead guilty in court (what the fuck else could he do?).
2) He was forced to pay the fine for DUII and court costs totaling in the thousands of dollars. He also had to relinquish his drivers licence for (I think) one year. Incidentally, this is how I learned that there are two bicycle-related convictions that will cause oneâ??s auto insurance premium to rise; DUII and Reckless â??Driving.â??
3) BAC=0.21, per emergency room toxicology analysis.

And on that note, Iâ??m off to ride my bicycle to the bar.


Cheers!



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:30 pm
User avatarPaul Sherwen GroupieJoined: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:45 pmPosts: 115Location: SoLa, MPLS
I was not aware that California has a seperate charge for cycling under the infuence. The cases detailed above involve DRIVING under the influence of intoxicants proper, same crime, same penalties.
Prop 215 and CUI do I need another reason to move to Cali? Oh yeah, it aint fuckin cold there!

Some other DUII fun facts:

You can be charged with DUII even if your BAC is under the legal limit, as long as the arresting officer deems that you have been impaired. These charges are fruquently upheald in court.

You can be charged with DUII if the pot you smoked weeks ago causes a positive toxicology result via urinalysis.


All right, I'm really going to the bar now.



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:36 pm
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I have read through the minnesota drunk driving laws and they all apply to "motor vehicles". While I don't doubt they are in other states, I do not think biking while drunk will get you anywhere besides into the pavement.



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:31 am
User avatarBanana Seat AficianadoJoined: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:03 pmPosts: 1873Location: Page
right, but both bicycles and horses are considered "motor vehicles" under MN state law. You can get a DUI for riding your horse drunk.

It sounds stupid, I know, but it was a big deal when SoDak finally removed bicycles and horses from their DUI laws.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:02 am
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I remember that court case in South Dakota.

In all fairness. I'd support DUI by bicycle, just to make it even as far as far as sharing the road.

I did get picked up by the cops while drunk with my bicycle laying on somebody's lawn. How would that relate to a similar incident of someone sleeping in their car with their keys handy? Anthow, I just got sent to detox from that little nap and they even transported my bike there too, so I was able to get out and ride right away after my 72 hours. :D



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