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<  Women/Trans/Femme (WTF)  ~  Bicycling is a dangerous activity for a single young woman

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:35 pm
User avatarRides in bad weather just to taunt those who won'tJoined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:00 amPosts: 1460Location: P-horn
Bike lovers, I need your help.

I'm constantly hearing how dangerous everything is 1. because cars are safe and only dummies would risk their lives riding bicycles on the street (At night! In the weather! Alone on the mean streets of Minneapolis!) 2. because being a woman (At night! In the weather! Alone on the mean streets of Minneapolis!) makes you vulnerable.

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"I wouldn't let my daughter ride her bike at night by herself. You could get hit by a car. You could get kidnapped. You could get mugged."
"I wouldn't want to bike at night- you could get hit by a drunk driver, people can't see you, it's too dangerous."
"You can't walk alone at night, you never know ..."
"When you get older you will care more about safety because you won't feel like you're going to live forever. After you have kids you'll understand why I'm saying this to you."
"One time, there was a lady walking alone, and she was abducted. They never found her body."
Of course there are elements of truth to all of these comments. The world is not a perfectly safe place. Crime and violence happen. Crashes happen. People get hurt. But isn't life a cycle of acknowledging risk, assessing, minimizing, and adjusting your actions to find the safest way to do what you want? Nothing is without risk.

...Isn't it funny how strangers feel like they can walk up to you and say, "I would never ride in the dark like that. Aren't you afraid you're going to get hit by a car?" "I can't believe you walk around the city at night by yourself. Aren't you worried you're going to get attacked?"
...Whereas I would never go up to someone and say, "Putting in overtime? Have fun pumping all that OT into your gas tank!" or "It's icy out there. I hope you don't get in a car crash tonight." "Oh, I see you are complaining about how much your car maintenance costs again. Well, I gotta go enjoy the sunshine, wind in my hair, and singing birds now. Later!"

I just hate how genuine concern comes wrapped in judgment and condescension and with no constructive solution other than the implied, "Don't go anywhere alone ever," and "To be safe you need a car." I reject both of those ideas as oppressive, unrealistic, and completely wrong for my lifestyle. (Not to mention these comments are just setting them up to say "I told you so"/ blame the victim if something ever did happen...)

What am I supposed to say to these well-meaning people? I need some pro-bike, pro-independent-WTF rhetoric!

I have tried these phrases, with no success, in response to the people in my life that like to concern themselves with my safety/ judge my transportation choices:

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I feel I am more aware of my surroundings and less aggressive than most car drivers.
I have safety equipment, ride in a predictable manner and try to stay off the roads when there is low visibility.
Most sexual and physical assaults are not "random", but are perpetrated by people the victim knows.
I am not your daughter.
When I leave for the day and they say, "Be careful!" I respond, "You too!"
You feel safe in your car because you have seatbelts and air bags and a big metal box around you. But you have to wear a seatbelt and surround yourself in metal because you are moving at high speeds and are partaking in an inherently dangerous activity!
How do I respectfully tell people that my choices aren't crazy and dangerous and that they should maybe mind their own business? Surely I am not the only one that deals with this on a daily basis.



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:53 pm
User avatarPraying to God for the Flamme RougeJoined: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:56 pmPosts: 2506Location: Atop the highest horse in town.
This is what I say, "If you're truly concerned for my welfare, make and stick to a pledge to always check for cyclists while driving. Thanks! I appreciate it."



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:37 pm
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" when I was growing up my mother told me to always be afraid of the big bad wolf... what she didn't realize, was that she was raising the woodswoman"-Luci



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:47 pm
User avatarPraying to God for the Flamme RougeJoined: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:56 pmPosts: 2506Location: Atop the highest horse in town.
Also, you must just exude a friendlier aura than me. This happens to me rarely. But, when it does, I just ask that the stranger "kindly fuck off."

I think it better serves my point to be direct.



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:14 pm
User avatarBroom Wagon FodderJoined: Fri May 08, 2009 10:40 amPosts: 312
While certainly not respectful, I think a modified version of a quote from the movie Jarhead would be a humorous response... Or at least you wouldn't get any more "helpful" advice...

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am the baddest mother fucker in the God damn valley?"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418763/quotes



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:01 pm
The first thing that comes to mind is to mug them. The cycle of concern trolling will end at that moment.

The second (and more legal) response would be something along the lines of what I tell everyone that freaks out on my riding:

"I'm not afraid of the same things you are"

For some reason that shuts most of them up; perhaps there's a flicker of recognition of their absurd, lifelong cowardice.


PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:04 pm
User avatarHas recurring nightmare of descending Ramsey Hill no-handedJoined: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:00 amPosts: 4404Location: Whipping Cult Central
If you want to educate, try citing this link:

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Conclusions: On average, the estimated health benefits of cycling were substantially larger than the risks relative to car driving for individuals shifting their mode of transport.


- Source

That's pro-bike.

I'm not sure why being a woman would make bicycle riding more dangerous. I'm pretty sure my penis doesn't have the power to repel traffic crashes. And while men can get quite hairy in the winter, it is just an urban myth that beards provide any significant cushioning in a crash.



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:35 pm
User avatarIn a gear most men use only on the downhills!Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:50 pmPosts: 278Location: Minneapolis, MN
dasunt wrote:
it is just an urban myth that beards provide any significant cushioning in a crash.


You haven't seen my beard, have you?



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:37 pm
User avatarTaking my bike off some sweet jumpsJoined: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:58 pmPosts: 237Location: SLP
dasunt wrote:
And while men can get quite hairy in the winter, it is just an urban myth that beards provide any significant cushioning in a crash.


For what it's worth, Boobs don't either.



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:14 am
User avatarKing of the MountainJoined: Fri May 04, 2007 6:30 amPosts: 1833Location: Lyndale 'hood
As a dude, I don't feel safe walking alone in my neighborhood at night. On a bike, out in the road, I don't think twice about it:
-No one will sneak up behind me
-Anyone that gets in front of me is going to get run the fuck over at a high rate of speed
-Someone says anything to me, I'm out of earshot in seconds

I like the "I'm not afraid of the same things you are."

Also, remember you have experience with this. You've biked at night, alone, as a woman, etc. before. You know exactly how dangerous it is and it's not stopping you.



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:03 am
User avatar42% more WOTF's than TOTH'sJoined: Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:37 pmPosts: 2316Location: NE Mpls - Windom Park
Jerbear wrote:
I like the "I'm not afraid of the same things you are."

+1 I will remember this one.



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:48 am
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Tell them you carry.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:28 am
User avatarDoesn't like shants but wants to fit inJoined: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:16 pmPosts: 3159Location: St. Paul
Show concern for them driving a car since 100 people per day die in car crashes.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:04 pm
User avatarHandslingerJoined: Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:05 pmPosts: 467Location: Powderhorn
NineAces told me she stays off the LRT at night, and for good reason: its dark and shit has gone down there. Other than that, I can't imagine gender playing any real role in increasing danger while cycling.
If there's one thing I've learned about bicycle advocacy, it's that you can't convince people. Period. I know this from being vegetarian as well. People will often "listen" to you, but very few people will change their lives. (for the record, I'm happy to talk about being vegetarian but I didn't like being judged for eating meat when I did, so I make a pretty big effort not to judge people who do when I talk about it)
People perceive biking as dangerous, and they're right, it's us wearing a helmet against a 2000 pound cage with a maniac and/or total dipshit behind the wheel. But oh well. We know the risks, and they're not much really, and we all know that.
I was having a conversation with a friend who doesn't really ride at all about riding in the winter and how she "would never do it." I thought the same thing a few years ago. "Dude, thats effing nuts..." and I find that all the reasons people tell me this are basically null and void.
1) The streets are usually clear within a day.
2) Studded front tire
3) YOU KEEP YOUR SELF WARM right out the door. No car to brush off and warm up and sit freezing in untill the engine warms up enough to heat the cabin.

Point is, I could explain these things till we're both blue in the face and people are still gonna be like "yeah...well, I still never would" and I imagine a discussion about gender would end the same way. So shrug it off and go ride while they enjoy their cage of misery :)



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:31 pm
User avatarRides in bad weather just to taunt those who won'tJoined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:00 amPosts: 1460Location: P-horn
JenNastix, the comments don't normally come from random people. I guess I posted this rant because after hearing stuff like, "You're a woman so you should be scared of everything," and, "You ride a bike so you're going to get your skull crushed by an SUV," on a fairly regular basis starts to get to you. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only crazy person out there that enjoys the simple pleasures of a bike ride. It's nice to know there are other crazies out there. =]

Thanks for making me feel so much better, bike lovers!

JenNastix, I like your high road comment. I'm going to use it.
Poorimpulsecontrol, I want to be a woodsman too! Awesome.
yynot, that's my attitude on Trail Watch, at least. Seriously- if you want to keep your daughters safe, teach them some self confidence. Don't teach them to be afraid of the big bad wolf, give them an ax. (Metaphor. I don't support axing animals. Or violence. Or weapons.)
PBrazelton wrote:
"I'm not afraid of the same things you are"

For some reason that shuts most of them up; perhaps there's a flicker of recognition of their absurd, lifelong cowardice.
Great call! Thank you for this.

Dasunt- Exactly. One person in particular is always telling me that I should be "extra careful" because I am a woman. They would never let their daughter do the things I do. Thanks for the pro-bike quote/ source! I'm adding it to my arsenal.
Jerbear wrote:
Also, remember you have experience with this. You've biked at night, alone, as a woman, etc. before. You know exactly how dangerous it is and it's not stopping you.
That's really nice to be reminded of, I really appreciate that.

Nickel, I hear what you're saying, but talking about how dangerous and bad and expensive and dirty cars are does not phase someone that has convinced themselves that a car lifestyle is the only way to live. Not to mention I'm already arrogant and self-righteous enough without talking about carbon emissions and peak oil... =p My whole gripe is that I feel like I'm not allowed to live my life without judgment, and I don't really want to judge people that want to commute in their cars. It's not for me, but I understand the appeal. All I'm asking is for a little understanding in the other direction.
vulture2600 wrote:
NineAces told me she stays off the LRT at night, and for good reason: its dark and shit has gone down there. Other than that, I can't imagine gender playing any real role in increasing danger while cycling.
What does that have to do with gender? Dudes should probably be alert or avoid the LRT if it makes them uncomfortable. Dark trails give lots of people the creeps, it doesn't mean that "women, especially" should be wary.



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